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Dave Ramsey Vs. Suze Orman: Should Your Financial Guru Be Changing His/Her Advice?

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Should Financial Gurus Be Changing Advice?

Last month, Suze Orman shocked a lot of people (including probably Dave Ramsey) and drummed up a lot of press when she changed her long-running stance on aggressively paying down credit card debt.  As many of you know, Suze has basically started to advise people to only pay the minimum payment on their credit cards and to instead increase their emergency fund to at least 8 months worth of expenses.

8 months… Really? Her justification is that many credit card companies are lowering limits and even canceling cards on those who pay them down.  She points out that if you lose your job due to the economy, you might not be able to access as much credit through the credit cards.  If you had a big juicy emergency fund, you’d be much better.  While the advice seems to be well-intentioned, I have a couple issues with it:

  1. Why 8 Months? For the majority of people, I think 8 months is a little extreme.  Especially considering they are struggling with credit card debt.  I’d be much more comfortable had she advised something more along the lines of an extra month of expenses.
  2. Increased Temptation. Suze is making the assumption that her audience can responsibly save up a large amount of money without finding an excuse to spend it.  Again, this is targeted at those people with outstanding credit card balances, meaning they’re already dealing with the issue of spending more than they make.  I know from experience that much more temptation exists when you have $10,000 in your emergency fund opposed to $1000.  That’s just a fact of life.
  3. Credit Cards Aren’t An Answer. I don’t think credit cards should be an answer, in the first place, to the solution of economic hardship.  Therefore, Suze’s whole justification falls a little short for me.  I prefer advice that suggests keeping a basic emergency fund and instead drastically cutting your lifestyle (ahead of time) in preparation for the possibility of losing your job.  After all, you can always go back to spending more than you earn once the economy rebounds.

Dave Ramsey’s advice hasn’t changed. Is that good or bad?

Dave Ramsey Total Money MakeoverIf I had to pick one financial guru that I agreed with the most, it would be Dave Ramsey.  Although, I can nit-pick some minor differences here and there, I’m a big fan of his overall guidance.  Lately, I’ve heard a lot of talk from both Ramsey and his devout followers about how his advice hasn’t changed.  His baby steps have always been and continue to be:

  1. $1000 Emergency Fund – Despite the economic conditions he’s stuck to this number in both prosperity and hardship.
  2. Debt Snowball Non-Mortgage Debt – Again, no change in how he’s advising people to attack debt.
  3. 3-6 months of expenses saved – Even after debt, Ramsey has suggested only 3-6 months.
  4. 15% for retirement – Ramsey hasn’t changed his investment strategies either.  He’s still a fan of mutual funds and has kept his 25%/25%/25%/25% diversification consistent.  He still hates gold, and still recommends a steady 15% at this initial level.
  5. College Funding – No change in when he suggests to prioritize college.
  6. Pay off your home early – He has also remained consistent on his policy to buy homes only once you are debt-free, on 15-year fixed mortgage, and so the payment doesn’t exceed 25% of your take-home pay.  Dave admits it’s a fantastic time to buy a home, but hasn’t switched his priorities.
  7. Build wealth and give! – No reason to change the ultimate goal of it all!

At first, I’ll admit I was a little proud.  “My financial guru is better than your financial guru!” But as I thought about it more, I wondered what was truly a more desirable trait.

Is it more desirable to follow a system that:

  • Sticks to its “guns” and doesn’t change with shifts in economic stability, or
  • Is open and willing to take in new information and adapt to external circumstances?

“Solid Principals” or “Ability To Adapt”…  which is more beneficial.  This has become a really difficult question for me to answer for myself.  Of course, a balance of the two is most likely the real answer.  Maybe Suze is onto something.  It’s not like she’s flip-flopped her entire message.  She’s just changed one part of it in response to an economic downturn.

For me, it all comes down to integrity and intent.  I’ve watched, read, and listened to enough of Dave’s content that I firmly believe his top priority is changing people’s lives for the better.  Unfortunately, I can’t say the same for Suze.  In fairness, I’m not nearly as familiar with her content.  The big question that I keep asking myself is:

Why has Suze Orman changed her advice?:
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  • Has she truly been exposed to new and credible feedback/information and has realized a different approach would provide a greater benefit for her audience? (certainly possible)
  • Or has she simply bought into regurgitating a hyped-up state of fear.  Is she leveraging this new change in order to create buzz, garner attention, and ultimately sell more of her heavily-sponsored products?  (certainly possible)

Once again, I honestly don’t know.  But this isn’t just about Suze or Dave.

It’s about your own set of financial principles and beliefs. Hardly anyone follows a specific guru or system 100% of the time in all situations.  We each build our own financial habits and principles based on what we feel is convenient, smart, and reasonable.

Ultimately, most of us realize a nice foundation of time-tested principles is essential to long-term success.  However, this doesn’t mean we have to ignore a new set of circumstances when they are presented.

The ultimate answer may lie in doing our best to process and form opinions on new information, while still double-checking any changes we may want to make against the principles of our core beliefs.

Do you prefer and approach like Dave Ramsey or Suze Orman?  Let everyone know below!

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Chad March 29, 2013 at 7:42 PM

I listen to both Dave and Suzeand get something from both. I have not heard either discuss the advice for the elderly as what to do with money, (cash). Any advice?

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Steve March 30, 2013 at 12:49 AM

You can’t take it with you. Give it away. Depending on your tax situation and amounts, you can consider giving it to qualified charities to offset taxes. Otherwise, why not leave cash for the next generations?

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Debt'sGone! April 6, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Dave Ramsey rules. His steps are not about being rigid, refusing to change. To me it’s just common sense, more so steps 1-3. Heck anyone can change them to suit their circumstances. My wife and I did after step 3. We own rental properties in a different country (where we are from originally & intend to settle later) because real estate is booming there.

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mark April 17, 2013 at 2:30 PM

I am debt free now for 7 yrs. now. I am 49 yrs. old and I have my house paid off 5 yrs now no car payments no credit card debt and i use a debt card only.I have a emergency fund built up of about 5,000 dollars a 401 k plan of about 15,000 dollars and Ira ‘s a roth and a traditional combined about 30,000 dollars. I have to 2 jobs combined salary about 41,000 a year. I am single no kids. What changes do you suggest I make if any.Give me your take ? Thanks

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Chris Taylor April 23, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Baby Step 1 done
Baby Step 2 done
Baby Step 3 done
Baby Step 4 done
Baby Step 5 done
Baby Step 6 done
Baby Step 7 Build wealth and give!
That is where you are at. Congratulations and welcome to the club. What I am doing is trying to max out my Roth IRA, 401K and keep the significant other happy. Recommend spending a little bit of money. I know if is hard but do something you have always wanted to do. I am having that challenge right now. We are in a better position than most people. We can pay cash for what we want or need.

Good Luck and Enjoy!!

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Assnap Kined June 3, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Mark – It sounds like you have a a LOT going for you financially. I salute you for having a second job. You didn’t mention if you have a defined benefit plan (trad. pension) at your full time job, but even if you do, I would suggest you focus on the retirement plans. You’re 49, retirement will be here before you know it. If you can’t contribute any more, have you looked at what you are investing in? Are they LOW cost mutual funds? I prefer Vanguard index funds. A LOT of people will charge you more promising to beat the market, but statistically, they can’t do it. Do you really want to pay someone more to “gamble” your money on beating the market? How are you doing with asset allocation? Do you understand asset allocation along with your risk tolerance? If you want good advice to help you, I suggest you look up these people (on the Internet, the library, or both): John Bogle, Paul Merriman, Tom Cock/Don McDonald, Rick Ferri, Larry Swedroe, Allen Roth, Dan Solin & Mark Hebner. They give sound investment advice using low cost funds. These people have many internet columns, websites, podcasts and books to help you. Good Luck, sir.

Assnap Kined

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Wwwsf August 17, 2013 at 12:57 AM

You just need to put in more in your retirement. You should have more in your retirement accounts at your age.

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Keith April 24, 2013 at 11:42 PM

I don’t believe it is a fair to ask which is more beneficial between Dave Ramsey’s “Solid Principals” to Suze Orman’s “Ability To Adapt”. His principles do not need to be adapted. If they do I have yet to hear anything he suggested that was taught in a better way somewhere else. The ONLY thing I can think of is where his Debt Snowball is not as efficient as Suze’s idea of paying off the highest % rate first…which of course is more logical. If you could do one as easily as the other, then Suze’s will put you ahead in saving money. However, Dave admits that this is not the best way if you are able to do it but that the Debt Snowball is a motivating tool. I know it worked for me because paying off the debt with the largest % rate would have been tougher psychologically for me to handle. I do not follow everything Dave says because I still have credit cards (for my convenience), but I make payments to them twice a month and do not spend any money unless I know I already have it. I am down to owing only on my house and about 10k left on my car with my 1k emergency fund and 5 months of cash in the bank. I am thankful from what I have learned from both of Suze and Dave.

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Williro August 6, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Keith, you shouldn’t have 5 months cash in the bank if you still owe on your car. Put that money towards payoff on your car. Just a bit of advice from an outsider looking in…

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LarryE April 29, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Like some of the others have said, I take some advice from both Dave and Suze. I tend to side more with Dave, but there are things I disagree with him on. Suze’s advice is to have 8 months in case you get laid off, but Dave does advise people to increase their emergency fund(and stop debt repayment) if they feel that there could be a need for money(layoff, baby, medical expenses) in the near future.

Dave Ramsey: I think he is more realistic about how people work with money. They need to learn the difference between wants and needs. My main point of disagreement with Dave is on student debt, if its managed properly,

Suze Orman: I will admit Suze’s advice seems to be scattered and seems to change all the time based off what I see on her show. I don’t care about FICO as much as she does because when you have cash, even a low FICO doesn’t matter as much. I don’t like the emphasis on FICO because if you add up all the INTEREST payments you send the these banks, you’ll realize how much money you are wasting every month to have a high FICO score.

At one point, I was paying $1500/month JUST IN LOAN INTEREST PAYMENTS. That is when I realized why I have a small house in a rural area, and the banks have huge buildings downtown areas. I have a plastic, foldout table in a small carpeted room to work from. They have huge offices, when marble floors and giant mahogany desks.

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Assnap Kined June 3, 2013 at 9:30 AM

FYI – You may not care about your FICO, but potential employers (and others) may!!!! Some of the main components of the FICO score are paying your bills on time, the amount of credit you have available and what percentage of that available credit you are using. You can have (for example) 3 no annual fee credit cards with $10k limits and you simply charge a couple of things a years (to keep the accounts open) and pay everything off within the grace period. If everything else in your credit file is clean, you will have a nice FICO score and it’s not costing you a penny in interest.

Assnap Kined

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Dwight Anthony April 30, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Great points and evaluation of what author actually gives better Financial Freedom advice.

I really would love to see someone as knowledgeable as yourself on a show such as Suze’s for an interview someday.

Dwight Anthony
Financially Elite Blog

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kaylie May 1, 2013 at 5:01 PM

I remember Suze saying “don’t sell, hold on to your investments” in 2000ish. Everything tanked. I re-read a book and astonishingly, she wrote to roll in your credit card debt into your home mortgage when refinancing. I couldn’t believe it!

I do listen to and read both Suze and Dave, but my husband and I have found a middle ground. We have no debt, and are getting our kids through college debt free.

I just saw the Queen of Versailles, and the show reiterated the financial “house of cards” that can collapse. When you own something, the government has a harder time taking it away,

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Assnap Kined June 3, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Suze MAY be OK for basic debt management/personal finance advice, but she has a very dubious history when it comes to investing advice. At one point, she was talking about investing in commodities to her followers. Many professionals consider dabbling in commodities speculation, not investing. A while back she formed a relationship with the Money Navigator, a market-timing newsletter. Later, she parted ways after The Wall Street Journal questioned some of the newsletter’s performance claims. This from a woman only keeps a very small portion of her own sizable wealth invested in equity markets. When Suze starts talking about investing, put the book down or turn off the TV/radio. Your portfolio will thank you!!

Assnap Kined

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Andy Richter May 9, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Dave Ramsey has never changed his plan. The economy has changed drastically. Dave’s plan still succeeds in getting people out of debt. Therefore, it works.

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Cara May 30, 2013 at 9:22 PM

I enjoy Ramsey’s no nonsense stick to the “guns” advice that is never changing.
I’m at baby step 2 with 10k of debt left. I will start baby step 3 this November after snow balling my debts. I have never stuck to my guns on a budget. Ramsey’s never changing advice is giving me confidence in his confidence of advice and strategies.

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Tommie June 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Orman is a joke. I really can’t believe people listen or watch her show. If someone can’t pay off a credit card are they really going to save 8 months of living expenses. They couldn’t same 8 hours of living expenses. My favorite call in was a lady wanting to spend her life savings ($28,000) to take her body to see the monkeys in Africa. A real nice safari. Orman suggested she have a family reunion. A little racy but funny as heck.

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AlyR June 20, 2013 at 4:38 PM

It’s bad advice to suggest you only have $1000 in our emergency fund. That isn’t even 1 month’s worth of expenses for most people. If you lost your job in this economy, you will be hard pressed to find ANY job in one month. I was unemployed for 4 YEARS before finding work that pays a third of what I was earning pre-recession. I’m not a huge fan of Orman but I think she’s got it right on this one.

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Paul D June 20, 2013 at 8:43 PM

AlyR: did you see Dave’s baby step #3? This is where you accumulate more than $1,000 in an emergency fund. $1,000, is only the beginning.

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Eric Hubbard June 20, 2013 at 11:02 PM

AlyR, the idea behind only having 1000 dollars in an Efund is only for a short period of time. 1000 dollars in the bank is only baby step 1 which is designed to catch life’s little things. It is there in order to have a little “Murphy repellent”. It is there to get people to stop using credit cards and to cut them up. If you cut up all your credit cards without 1000 dollars in the bank, you will go outside and find that your tire is flat or your roof will start leaking. Something will happen if you do not have this cushion. This is only until you get our of debt which is baby step 2. Get out of debt of everything but your house. Once you complete baby 2 you will then go back to the Efund on baby step 3 and complete it with 3-6 months worth of expenses.

One thing that I have noticed in today’s ages is that 1000 dollars may not be enough for some people to complete baby step 1. I would say somewhere between 1000 and 2000 whichever make you feel comfortable. Remember this is only for a short period of time while you are getting out of debt. The idea is to stop paying all the interest on the debt which is why Dave does not want you to complete your eFund until baby step 3. It also allows people to have some quick wins with their finances also. Dave explains much like going on a diet. If you go on a diet and gain weight the first week, most likely people will stop the diet because it does not seem to be working. He wants you to have a some quick wins to boost your confidence in winning with money.

If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.

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Eric Hubbard June 20, 2013 at 11:04 PM

AlyR, please note that I do not work for Dave Ramsey in anyway or get paid by his company in anyway. I am simply a person who as followed his plans and have won.

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George August 26, 2013 at 3:43 PM

First read about ” Suzy’s” method in a book by Carol Keeffe “How to Get What You Want in Life with the Money You Already Have (Simple Yet Revolutionary Ideas for Reaching Your Dreams While Still Paying the Bills (1995). A main component is “pay yourself first”. It’s a very good idea.

What makes you want to keep away from the $ you saved and not spend it, as you did with credit cards, is that you are seeing your cash grow and you are getting thngs and going places at the same time. It’s a great feeling and kind of a high to have real money in the bank. It’s amazing how quickly it builds. If anyone is interested I would get Keeffe book ,it’s a good read, you really can see how it might be the answer for many a credit card addict..

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Voyageuse September 10, 2013 at 12:36 AM

Suze lost me when she started promoting car leases too. Dave’s advice works much better for me.

That said, Dave advocates a 15 year fixed mortgage. That doesn’t work for us, so we have a 30 year fixed ($2,112/mo.) A 15 year fixed mortgage would be $3,190. It’s difficult for us to pay on a 15 year mortgage out of our monthly cash flow, but when my husband receives a quarterly commission check, we make a principal reduction of $3,234. That way, we can get the mortgage paid off in 15 years, but without the stress of doing it monthly. Our way of paying the mortgage is a bit convoluted, but the end result is the same.

My husband also uses a credit card to travel for work. Though the company reimburses him, we do keep several thousand dollars in the bank to pay the bill in case him employer goes belly-up (it wouldn’t be the first time). We just prefer not to use our money to front his travel expenses, but we’re prepared in the event that something goes awry.

We also continued to contribute to the 401K while we were getting out of debt. We’re over 40 and we couldn’t really afford to put retirement savings off until we became debt-free. It took us three years to pay off all our debt.

-We paid off $1.5MM in debt, and with the exception of a $2K credit card my husband uses for work, we’re debt-free
-We have a fully funded emergency account
-We’re maxing out our retirement
-We’re planning to cash flow our kids’ university education
-We’re on track to have the house paid off in seven years

Dave’s principles are solid, but a little tweaking here and there to make them best suit your individual circumstances isn’t a bad thing. In fact, DR has advised callers with almost the same situations as ours, to do things similar to the way we’ve been doing them. We’ve been able to accomplish all of the above since we started listening to him in 2010.

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Ryan December 28, 2013 at 3:35 PM

How did you pay off $1.5 million in debt if you have trouble paying an extra $1100 in mortgage payment? That seems very unlikely to me.

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Voyageuse December 31, 2013 at 12:36 PM

@ Ryan- I know, it does seem a bit counterintuitive. We went gazelle intense in paying off our debt. We sold a car, a house, used a <$100K tax refund, and used several big bonuses to pay off the $1.5MM debt. All of those sources of cash were non-recurring, and my husband's annual income has since dropped by <$100K.

My husband's current base monthly income isn't high enough to debt service a 15 year mortgage, and give us enough wiggle room to live comfortably (food, utilities, insurance, spending money…we have no consumer debt).

Every quarter when he receives commission, we make a principal reduction to the mortgage (to keep us on the 15 year amortization track), pump up the kids' (12 and 14) university fund, and we set aside the balance for quarterly expenses. I know, it's kind of convoluted, but at the end of the day, it works for us.

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John June 10, 2014 at 7:05 PM

NO! Suze has never promoted leasing a car! Suze has always said

1. never lease a car,
2. never finance a car for longer than three years
3. buy a used car, and keep it until it’s worn to the ground (or at least 10-15 years)

I don’t agree with a lot of things she says, but at least I don’t but words in her mouth.

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Mich October 21, 2013 at 12:58 AM

You should check out Gail Vaz Oxlade she’s Canadian. Has great tips on her website, many books, and tv shows here in canada (Till Debt Do us Part, Princess, Money Moron) I love her advice the best. Check her out! http://www.gailvazoxlade.com/

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Simon December 10, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Get a financial counsellor if you can. They are often free and don’t have a book selling or public speaking agenda.
USA
http://www.usa.gov/topics/money/credit/debt/out-of-control.shtml
Canada
http://www.creditcounsellingcanada.ca

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AJ December 19, 2013 at 10:26 PM

I’d heard about Dave Ramsey, so at the beginning of this year (2013) I bought one of his audiobooks and took a listen. I could not make it to the end of the book. It was utterly APPALLING and insulting:

1.Ramsey listens/’prays’ for guidance from the voices in his head which he ‘believes’/attributes to a supernatural deity. And he keeps repeating it, over and over again. I’m not American and I don’t want religion shoved down my neck – especially in a book on finance by someone presenting themselves as an ‘expert’. In my country, sprinkling religious beliefs into your ‘expert’ advice is a sure-fire way to be dismissed as a crackpot and NEVER to be taken seriously. Which is exactly what I’ve done with Ramsay’s ‘advice’.

2. Much of his advice holds no water outside of the US- i.e. superannuation (Google it), or long term investment advice varies greatly between countries.

There are much better people around than either of these ‘gurus’ – MJ De Marco and dare I say – Adam who runs this blog. I’ll take their advice over these twits any day.

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dee January 16, 2014 at 4:23 AM

I want to chime in and agree on the US comment – i follow Suze and have read (but was turned off by the religious stuff) Dave Ramsey. It’s very US centric this advice and while there’s always bits i can use the actual ‘how’ is completely useless unfortunately.

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Steve E. January 30, 2014 at 2:54 PM

I didn’t realize the world outside the USA was all atheist. Oh wait, it isn’t. But it has a number of people like you who are aggressive atheists. Those of us with reason expect people to have different beliefs. I’m confident in my beliefs– religious or not– and because of this I don’t respond so belligerently to those with whom I disagree. Your country must be a miserable one in which to live, if there are many like you.

By the way, asking a financial expert to be fluent in the laws and customs of all the countries of the world is ridiculous. Europeans are particularly afflicted with this strange psychosis, in which they take offense that an expert might dare take to the internet with information appropriate for a country of 314 million, yet not be familiar with the economics of their country of 31 million.

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marco February 5, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Steve E
Not only Europeans but all people are particularly afflicted and take offence of the fact that American religious nuts think is ok to disrespect other peoples beliefs and try to proselytize their own American capitalist christianity. I am sure you prefer the word outreach and not proselytizing.
It is offensive to pay money attend 9 classes of what you think is a seminar in finance and instead be bombarded with your religious crap.
I thought I was going to a financial seminar that I paid for and should not have to endure a sales pitch on religion from the gate keepers of the venue where the seminars are held.
What I find amazing is that religious nuts like you worship Jesus, a communist Jew.
I was born a christian and I am a christian by default and the American’s notion that Jesus died for your sins was never part of the indoctrination.
Jesus died because he went after the money changers (today’s banksters), so they killed him.

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Andrew July 29, 2014 at 9:03 PM

Were you not tipped off by the fact that all these seminars are held at churches? Dolt.

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Steve December 20, 2013 at 1:58 PM

@AJ – Don’t let your disdain (hatred, actually) of religion triumph over common sense. What better advise is there but to live debt free? Yes, of course, because of the European experience with state religion being shoved down your throat, and therefore anything to do with religion must be bogus, I do understand why you misunderstand Dave’s intentions. Yes, he is a God fearing man, and follows priniciples laid out in the bible. But the principles thereof should be looked upon with an eye toward literary historicity. Age old advice.

Your superannuation advice should be relative to your own economic circumstances, not for what’s happening in the U.S. Dave’s audience is in the majority U.S. – based. Take what applies to you or is adaptable for you, and leave the rest. But surely living debt free is a good global principle.

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Steve E. January 30, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Europeans are bothered by the fact that so many people in the USA voluntarily choose to have belief without it being delivered at the point of a sword. They’re certain that this foolishness should have been rendered obsolete by the rise of science and reason.

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Dude January 4, 2014 at 1:19 AM

Dave even admits that you’d be a fool to follow what he says blindly. But a lot of his followers are lacking in common sense, so they need a basic system they can follow. Keeping things basic is good, but if you want to win you need to think on your own and see what fits your exact situation and adjust.

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Janet Clausen January 30, 2014 at 3:09 PM

I find Dave Ramsey’s approach is sound and foundational. do I think Him not changing anything over time makes Him rigid or unable to change when the strategy needs to, No, i think it is wise to stick with what you know, your convictions or knowledge until you see a need to change. Dave’s approach is sound, it has merit, and until HE sees a need to add, take away from or change anything He is doing right by not wavering on his strategy. If it works, why fix it?

His timeless strategy works in many types of financial situations, whether our country is in economic upheaval or if we are the most prosperous we have ever been. It is full of common sense and He seems to truly care about the people who he is working with, who have attended his workshops and training classes. He isn’t out for the big money for himself, He wants everyone to be able to have that life of peace we all so desire. He is a good man,

I have looked at both of their financial plans and packages, I can tell you that although I find them both interesting, I have found that over time, depending on the audience she is speaking to, Suze’s ideas, though she has some she hasn’t changed, she can change with the wind for TV viewing audiences, when she is working with another guru I have seen her change her stance to agreement with them, even if it is contrary to something she may have even taught the day before. I think some of her ideas can get out there some times, but I don’t know if it is because she is looking at her own bank account rise or if she really believes in everything she teaches, even if it contradicts with something else she taught…

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John June 10, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Please provide specific examples, I have not seen this at all (besides her increasing the emergency fund). Her core principles have remained unchanged. Her philosophy is people first, then money, then things. She attack’s people’s emotional response to money, and emphasizes that many of our relationships with people are often what lead us down the wrong path. She’s a refreshing face in the financial advising world that focuses too much on objective facts. I don’t agree with everything she says, but people connect to her advice because she can attack the problem deep down within the soul of the person she is advising. Ramsey and Orman pretty much agree on 99% of the financial advice, the one who will be most successful will be the one who gets their followers to actually change. I think both of them are good at this, but they have completely different styles that is all. Besides the emergency fund they actually have the same advice for the most part.

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Andrew May 16, 2014 at 6:15 PM

How can anyone take Orman seriously? She’s a huge supporter of a POTUS who is all about spending money we don’t have? Give me a break.

She’s just salesman pulling money out of people. I wouldn’t trust her in a second. Ramsey is about making money, but he’s also about people bettering their lives. And he practices what he preaches.

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John June 10, 2014 at 6:46 PM

George Bush is also all about spending money we don’t have. I go by the rationality of people’s financial advice not their political leanings. You clearly go by the other. You did not mention anything about Orman’s financial advice because you don’t know what it is. Obama has nothing to do with her financial advice, just like supporting bush wouldn’t have anything to do with her advice either.

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Andrew June 16, 2014 at 12:00 AM

I’ve seen her show many times. She tells people to go no debt all the time. “Denied.”

Then she goes out and supports someone who can’t spend enough. Give me a break.

So are you saying she doesn’t believe in practicing what she preaches? Just another sheep. Think for yourself dude.

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John June 10, 2014 at 6:18 PM

If you are in serious debt, and can’t get any loans and have no way to move around money besides an emergency fund, you definitely need more than a $1,000 emergency fund to prevent becoming homeless in a real emergency. Now 8 months is a bit extreme, probably 2-3 months would suffice.

However, my general advice is to set up a small emergency fund about 1,000 and then build up a “Roth IRA” emergency fund. Roth IRAs are exempt from bankruptcy and you can dip into it without a tax penalty (obviously you don’t want to dip into it – this is only for a true emergency). If no major emergencies occurred you have a great tax free retirement fund! But still once it has reached 2-3 months of expenses attack student loan debt and high interest other dept before building wealth.

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Sarah June 13, 2014 at 12:18 AM

3 months is nothing for an emergency fund. I have seen many friends and family hit road bumps and none of them bounced back to 100% any quicker than 6 months, some closer to a year. I’m talking about 10 people that I can think of in my circle, and if none of them could get back to normal within 3 months that seems like enough evidence for me that I need to put at least a years worth of money away to pay for necessities. One late bill snowballs into bigger things very quickly. I have to agree with Suze, and I like most of what she says. Money is just the symptom of a larger problem. . . I like the connection she makes about our emotional level and our financial standings.

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Brian July 21, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Hi all. I’m happy to see everyone watching great advice from both. I watch both

Dave: pro: I love his debt focus. con: he focuses on real estate which are large debt liabilities. Which may bring more headaches in repairs and maintenance. My sister is getting sued by her tenant. Too much trouble. Also. Dave is aweful at actual financial advice. Mutual funds are the past! EFT. Fixed Annuities. Safety and security in retirement should be advised not all risk all the time.

Suze: pro: much better at advice. Con: not consistent and powerful enough on debt reduction.

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