
Last month, Suze Orman shocked a lot of people (including probably Dave Ramsey) and drummed up a lot of press when she changed her long-running stance on aggressively paying down credit card debt. As many of you know, Suze has basically started to advise people to only pay the minimum payment on their credit cards and to instead increase their emergency fund to at least 8 months worth of expenses.
8 months… Really? Her justification is that many credit card companies are lowering limits and even canceling cards on those who pay them down. She points out that if you lose your job due to the economy, you might not be able to access as much credit through the credit cards. If you had a big juicy emergency fund, you’d be much better. While the advice seems to be well-intentioned, I have a couple issues with it:
- Why 8 Months? For the majority of people, I think 8 months is a little extreme. Especially considering they are struggling with credit card debt. I’d be much more comfortable had she advised something more along the lines of an extra month of expenses.
- Increased Temptation. Suze is making the assumption that her audience can responsibly save up a large amount of money without finding an excuse to spend it. Again, this is targeted at those people with outstanding credit card balances, meaning they’re already dealing with the issue of spending more than they make. I know from experience that much more temptation exists when you have $10,000 in your emergency fund opposed to $1000. That’s just a fact of life.
- Credit Cards Aren’t An Answer. I don’t think credit cards should be an answer, in the first place, to the solution of economic hardship. Therefore, Suze’s whole justification falls a little short for me. I prefer advice that suggests keeping a basic emergency fund and instead drastically cutting your lifestyle (ahead of time) in preparation for the possibility of losing your job. After all, you can always go back to spending more than you earn once the economy rebounds.
Dave Ramsey’s advice hasn’t changed. Is that good or bad?
If I had to pick one financial guru that I agreed with the most, it would be Dave Ramsey. Although, I can nit-pick some minor differences here and there, I’m a big fan of his overall guidance. Lately, I’ve heard a lot of talk from both Ramsey and his devout followers about how his advice hasn’t changed. His baby steps have always been and continue to be:
- $1000 Emergency Fund – Despite the economic conditions he’s stuck to this number in both prosperity and hardship.
- Debt Snowball Non-Mortgage Debt – Again, no change in how he’s advising people to attack debt.
- 3-6 months of expenses saved – Even after debt, Ramsey has suggested only 3-6 months.
- 15% for retirement – Ramsey hasn’t changed his investment strategies either. He’s still a fan of mutual funds and has kept his 25%/25%/25%/25% diversification consistent. He still hates gold, and still recommends a steady 15% at this initial level.
- College Funding – No change in when he suggests to prioritize college.
- Pay off your home early – He has also remained consistent on his policy to buy homes only once you are debt-free, on 15-year fixed mortgage, and so the payment doesn’t exceed 25% of your take-home pay. Dave admits it’s a fantastic time to buy a home, but hasn’t switched his priorities.
- Build wealth and give! – No reason to change the ultimate goal of it all!
At first, I’ll admit I was a little proud. “My financial guru is better than your financial guru!” But as I thought about it more, I wondered what was truly a more desirable trait.
Is it more desirable to follow a system that:
- Sticks to its “guns” and doesn’t change with shifts in economic stability, or
- Is open and willing to take in new information and adapt to external circumstances?
“Solid Principals” or “Ability To Adapt”… which is more beneficial. This has become a really difficult question for me to answer for myself. Of course, a balance of the two is most likely the real answer. Maybe Suze is onto something. It’s not like she’s flip-flopped her entire message. She’s just changed one part of it in response to an economic downturn.
For me, it all comes down to integrity and intent. I’ve watched, read, and listened to enough of Dave’s content that I firmly believe his top priority is changing people’s lives for the better. Unfortunately, I can’t say the same for Suze. In fairness, I’m not nearly as familiar with her content. The big question that I keep asking myself is:
Why has Suze Orman changed her advice?:
- Has she truly been exposed to new and credible feedback/information and has realized a different approach would provide a greater benefit for her audience? (certainly possible)
- Or has she simply bought into regurgitating a hyped-up state of fear. Is she leveraging this new change in order to create buzz, garner attention, and ultimately sell more of her heavily-sponsored products? (certainly possible)
Once again, I honestly don’t know. But this isn’t just about Suze or Dave.
It’s about your own set of financial principles and beliefs. Hardly anyone follows a specific guru or system 100% of the time in all situations. We each build our own financial habits and principles based on what we feel is convenient, smart, and reasonable.
Ultimately, most of us realize a nice foundation of time-tested principles is essential to long-term success. However, this doesn’t mean we have to ignore a new set of circumstances when they are presented.
The ultimate answer may lie in doing our best to process and form opinions on new information, while still double-checking any changes we may want to make against the principles of our core beliefs.
Do you prefer and approach like Dave Ramsey or Suze Orman? Let everyone know below!


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I listen to both Dave and Suzeand get something from both. I have not heard either discuss the advice for the elderly as what to do with money, (cash). Any advice?
You can’t take it with you. Give it away. Depending on your tax situation and amounts, you can consider giving it to qualified charities to offset taxes. Otherwise, why not leave cash for the next generations?
Dave Ramsey rules. His steps are not about being rigid, refusing to change. To me it’s just common sense, more so steps 1-3. Heck anyone can change them to suit their circumstances. My wife and I did after step 3. We own rental properties in a different country (where we are from originally & intend to settle later) because real estate is booming there.
I am debt free now for 7 yrs. now. I am 49 yrs. old and I have my house paid off 5 yrs now no car payments no credit card debt and i use a debt card only.I have a emergency fund built up of about 5,000 dollars a 401 k plan of about 15,000 dollars and Ira ‘s a roth and a traditional combined about 30,000 dollars. I have to 2 jobs combined salary about 41,000 a year. I am single no kids. What changes do you suggest I make if any.Give me your take ? Thanks
Baby Step 1 done
Baby Step 2 done
Baby Step 3 done
Baby Step 4 done
Baby Step 5 done
Baby Step 6 done
Baby Step 7 Build wealth and give!
That is where you are at. Congratulations and welcome to the club. What I am doing is trying to max out my Roth IRA, 401K and keep the significant other happy. Recommend spending a little bit of money. I know if is hard but do something you have always wanted to do. I am having that challenge right now. We are in a better position than most people. We can pay cash for what we want or need.
Good Luck and Enjoy!!
I don’t believe it is a fair to ask which is more beneficial between Dave Ramsey’s “Solid Principals” to Suze Orman’s “Ability To Adapt”. His principles do not need to be adapted. If they do I have yet to hear anything he suggested that was taught in a better way somewhere else. The ONLY thing I can think of is where his Debt Snowball is not as efficient as Suze’s idea of paying off the highest % rate first…which of course is more logical. If you could do one as easily as the other, then Suze’s will put you ahead in saving money. However, Dave admits that this is not the best way if you are able to do it but that the Debt Snowball is a motivating tool. I know it worked for me because paying off the debt with the largest % rate would have been tougher psychologically for me to handle. I do not follow everything Dave says because I still have credit cards (for my convenience), but I make payments to them twice a month and do not spend any money unless I know I already have it. I am down to owing only on my house and about 10k left on my car with my 1k emergency fund and 5 months of cash in the bank. I am thankful from what I have learned from both of Suze and Dave.
Like some of the others have said, I take some advice from both Dave and Suze. I tend to side more with Dave, but there are things I disagree with him on. Suze’s advice is to have 8 months in case you get laid off, but Dave does advise people to increase their emergency fund(and stop debt repayment) if they feel that there could be a need for money(layoff, baby, medical expenses) in the near future.
Dave Ramsey: I think he is more realistic about how people work with money. They need to learn the difference between wants and needs. My main point of disagreement with Dave is on student debt, if its managed properly,
Suze Orman: I will admit Suze’s advice seems to be scattered and seems to change all the time based off what I see on her show. I don’t care about FICO as much as she does because when you have cash, even a low FICO doesn’t matter as much. I don’t like the emphasis on FICO because if you add up all the INTEREST payments you send the these banks, you’ll realize how much money you are wasting every month to have a high FICO score.
At one point, I was paying $1500/month JUST IN LOAN INTEREST PAYMENTS. That is when I realized why I have a small house in a rural area, and the banks have huge buildings downtown areas. I have a plastic, foldout table in a small carpeted room to work from. They have huge offices, when marble floors and giant mahogany desks.
Great points and evaluation of what author actually gives better Financial Freedom advice.
I really would love to see someone as knowledgeable as yourself on a show such as Suze’s for an interview someday.
Dwight Anthony
Financially Elite Blog
I remember Suze saying “don’t sell, hold on to your investments” in 2000ish. Everything tanked. I re-read a book and astonishingly, she wrote to roll in your credit card debt into your home mortgage when refinancing. I couldn’t believe it!
I do listen to and read both Suze and Dave, but my husband and I have found a middle ground. We have no debt, and are getting our kids through college debt free.
I just saw the Queen of Versailles, and the show reiterated the financial “house of cards” that can collapse. When you own something, the government has a harder time taking it away,
Dave Ramsey has never changed his plan. The economy has changed drastically. Dave’s plan still succeeds in getting people out of debt. Therefore, it works.
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